Demote inactive veterans?

[snowbrdd]

I agree with getting the system revamped, however, the entire public voting system is flawed. Many residents don't notice the votes and if they do, its being advertised by someone who is generally a friend/buddy of the person in the vote. Doing anything to remove the rank will cause flack and generally bad press from it.

[FPSrusher]

Okey time to sum up my thoughts for a important topic like this in as few words as I can.

I'm thinking about demoting the inactive veterans...

In my opinion being active and loyal to the server is a big part of what it means to be a VTN, not only that, but if you have no idea whats been happening on the server for 6 months or so you will not be able to explain the changes accurately to players who ask and the player-base will no longer know who you are or trust you, so yes if they have been in-active for 6months+ they should be demoted.
However the last thing we want to do is cause some of our once-best players to leave if they ever come back on and see they are a CTZN or RSD, they should have something to show for the fact they did so much for the server back in the day, right?
So I petition that a new rank is made for retired mods and vtns and if they come back and are active again, by all means they let the community decide if they should get their rank back by being put in the vtn votes again.


Okey now the main problem with the current VTN system in my opinion is the lack of rules keeping the voting system honest and fair.
Some of the things I think need to change are:
-Make it so alts cannot vote for VTN.
-No more asking for votes "Hey I'm in the vtn votes, remember what I did for you? Vote for me!" should be not okey, something along the lines of "Hey the new vtn votes are up, go vote!" however is fine, this includes 'INFO:' mods should not be spamming chat telling people to go vote for one person.
-No bribes or drop parties to players from up-coming vtns.

Now to filter out anyone who may have used these to gain the rank in the past, I say all current VTNs should be put in the retired/ex-vtn/mod rank and have to go through the voting system again. If you can't win the votes even with having the advantage of people already seeing how you act as a vtn then maybe you should not be one, if people don't trust/respect that player anymore why should they be able to bring down the trust/respect of the whole rank?

Speaking as a VTN myself, I know it will suck at first losing the rank, but it will be better for all veterans once the system is fixed.

[Nezark123]

The most likely thing that will happen with all of this is that we demote the veterans who aren't active, set a certain time that is considered "being active", and come up with a way to even out votes. More strict rules for voting and supporting will be enforced.


Although people who have obtained the rank would hate to come back and lose it, the thing most of you seem to be missing is, once you obtain the rank doesn't mean you should stop exhibiting the same characteristics that qualified you for it.

I.e. Once you are active enough and well liked enough to become veteran, you should at the very least maintain that level of activity and positive influence, not slack off now that you have done everything asked of you.

[ArjanLuvsNeytiri]

We've seen that veterans can come back, like Alptunga. My guess would be that if a veteran comes back and he has been demoted, he'd just nag his way back to @Veteran. Maybe we can vote on who to keep or let go and cast off the profligates.

[kieranchocian]

Or maybe we can make it easier for someone to get re-ranked as veteran

[jbige7]

I think Veterans who haven't been seen/played in the last 6 or so months should be demoted. Italiasoccer is still a veteran and he made a post a couple of years ago that he is gone for good.

[Minerdomera]

IMO vets should be demoted if no login for a full month, as well as 4 months with less than an hour of playtime

[FPSrusher]

IMO vets should be demoted if no login for a full month, as well as 4 months with less than an hour of playtime

At first this seems a bit harsh, but when you think about it VTNs are picked from the most active players and a month is a long time.
However, I'm going to Japan in a couple of months, not sure if I'll take my computer with me or not or if I'll be able to get on MC at all, I'll be away for about a months time but when I come back I'll be as active as always.
Should I be demoted just because I'm on a planned break like that?
Ideally in my opinion, if for some reason you are un-able to log in MC for a bit like if you want to sort out some stuff in your life without distractions you should not be penalised for it.
If someone just gets board of mc and goes off to play another game or another server then sure maybe they should be demoted.
However I think having some strangely worded rule like that would be confusing as well as hard to enforce, it's better having a flat rule that is easy to understand and follow, thats why I think if you're not active for around 3 months you should be out.
I still think we should have a retired type rank so we don't lose a large amount of our once best players when they log in after a break and see there name in full RSD noobishness.

[morpher26]

I agree completely with FPS first post kudos to you fps

I do believe after you achieve vtn we have a set amount of hours over a set amount of weeks or days that you would have to play otherwise instant demotion this information should not be disclosed to vtns to avoid them playing that long and leaving I say this because it is almost insulting to hand someone vtn and poof gone forever

I personally think if we set a demotion time it should be like 3 months without a goodbye post telling us why you will be leaving for that time I also think we should take into account forums activity some people may not be able to get I game which again should be disclosed in the goodbye section

As for once we demote vtns I believe just demote them completely or not at all if we make it easier for them to get their rank back what's the point of demotion? No demote completely have to get in the vtn votes again by being voted again

Edits coming later sorry for lack of punctuation and spelling doing this in a rush on a phone

[X_Kyro_X]

Although I feel like this is a growing problem, I do not think Demoting inactive vtns are the right way to do it. As a vtn myself, achieving such a rank was a great accomplishment for me (and for most of you guys too, I assume). Removing such an achievement makes my pride and joy into working for this rank wasted. I understand that some do not deserve the rank; however there are also many players, such as myself, who've actually worked for this. Maybe to some of you I'm just some old unknown vtn that runs a risk of losing his rank, but any gamer knows that if you lose something important you worked for, you're going to get pretty pissed off.

By no means am I saying that the proposed ideas are completely in the wrong. In fact, there are quite a few good suggestions and alternatives suggested in the thread (That new rank idea is interesting). Additionally, there are some vtns that are actually gone for good (italiasoccer and mattchuu are ancient), so I have no opposition against demoting those players. Upon reading previous posts, it seems like we're having a progressive discussion about the matter, but it's too early to tell a definite decision.

tl;dr- I don't like it, but it can be worked out.